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| JeffM[m] | I wonder if/when the donated hosts will start jumping ship :) | 20:18 |
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| dngor | If we've moved, it might be friendly to tell people somewhere. | 20:31 |
| JeffM[m] | do you need anything other than matrix? | 20:31 |
| dngor | I dunno. Is that where we've gone? | 20:32 |
| JeffM[m] | there is a matrix channel that is bridged to IRC | 20:32 |
| dngor | I mean like a note in the topic where to go next. | 20:33 |
| JeffM[m] | I don't believe they have decided to move just yet | 20:33 |
| JeffM[m] | the matrix channel has been around for ages. | 20:33 |
| dngor | Dunno why people are going to libera, then. Maybe a lack of top-down guidance? | 20:40 |
| JeffM[m] | because freenode is us now run by an unknown | 20:41 |
| JeffM[m] | who lied | 20:41 |
| JeffM[m] | https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-staff-exodus-new-network/ | 20:42 |
| dngor | I understand that, but that's not my point. If there's already a place to go, why go to a new place instead? | 20:42 |
| JeffM[m] | matrix isn't IRC | 20:43 |
| JeffM[m] | a lot of people like the old IRC protocol for some reason | 20:43 |
| JeffM[m] | it's a horrible thing :) | 20:43 |
| blast007 | there isn't yet an IRC bridge for Libera, but they're working on it | 20:43 |
| blast007 | I don't know if we'll move yet. | 20:43 |
| JeffM[m] | do you need IRC? | 20:44 |
| blast007 | that is our primary, yeah | 20:44 |
| JeffM[m] | does it need to be the primary? | 20:44 |
| JeffM[m] | would you loose important people or bots? | 20:45 |
| blast007 | for me, both bots I run are IRC based, my preferred client is an IRC client, and I already use another IRC server | 20:46 |
| JeffM[m] | how much do you care about the freenode news? | 20:47 |
| dngor | I've been told weechat does matrix and IRC, but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. | 20:47 |
| blast007 | I want to move, but it's not only my decision to make | 20:47 |
| JeffM[m] | do you need the Tim? | 20:48 |
| blast007 | no | 20:48 |
| JeffM[m] | oh thank god | 20:48 |
| Flash | totally unscientific, but OFTC "feels" more mature the Libera | 20:48 |
| blast007 | OFTC doesn't have project registration/cloaks | 20:48 |
| dngor | blast007++ # you go moving the channel without consensus, and you're probably in the same boat as the new freenode management | 20:49 |
| JeffM[m] | migrate to live journal | 20:50 |
| blast007 | lol | 20:51 |
| dngor | If we're being silly, there's discord. | 20:51 |
| blast007 | Leagues United has a Discord server | 20:51 |
| JeffM[m] | discord is perfectly functional. live journal is not :) | 20:52 |
| blast007 | Discord would be well down my list of options | 20:55 |
| dngor | Above or below Live Journal? :) | 20:55 |
| JeffM[m] | yeah, you and a number of your users would want something with a libre client | 20:55 |
| blast007 | I even more specifically want a text-only client :) | 20:56 |
| JeffM[m] | how very 1985 of you :) | 20:56 |
| JeffM[m] | I still remember that IRC lib I wrote. shudder | 20:57 |
| * BulletCatcher hums a song by Bowling for Soup | 20:58 | |
| JeffM[m] | I'm on a discord server that does pretty well, it's for an open source game framework. Mostly just help people learn | 20:58 |
| Zehra | For future reference, will there be any plans of creating more points of official presence? (In the event something similar occurs in the future, we do have contingencies in place and simply have to drop a single presence?) | 21:00 |
| dngor | I'm on a few discord servers, including one I spun up for family chat. | 21:00 |
| JeffM[m] | How goes things otherwise? | 21:12 |
| blast007 | Zehra: Do we need more? We already have IRC, Matrix, Forums, MOTD, and the website | 21:13 |
| JeffM[m] | and 3 of those are mostly under your control | 21:13 |
| blast007 | I already feel overwhelmed with the number of things I need to post to or update every time we make a release :) | 21:13 |
| JeffM[m] | did you ever get the domain? | 21:13 |
| blast007 | no | 21:13 |
| JeffM[m] | he been ok about updating it and paying it? | 21:14 |
| the_map | dngor: I use weechat. takes a little setup, but I handled it pretty okay and I'm not amazing at figuring out IRC stuff | 21:14 |
| blast007 | I haven't had to make any changes recently | 21:14 |
| the_map | I've liked it a lot | 21:14 |
| the_map | haven't tried matrix with weechat though | 21:14 |
| blast007 | most of the records are CNAMEs to my domain | 21:14 |
| JeffM[m] | ahh good | 21:15 |
| blast007 | either OVH is better at block DDoS or they've stopped/slowed down | 21:15 |
| blast007 | blocking* | 21:15 |
| blast007 | so I haven't had to do much switching of servers :) | 21:15 |
| Zehra | blast007: IRC, Matrix and forums are basically active content, in terms of where two way communications may be had. | 21:19 |
| blast007 | unclear on what you're suggesting then | 21:20 |
| Zehra | Well, basically in the case of IRC, the addition of another network to be both as an official presence, so if one network makes unwanted changes, it's easy to simply drop and move on, as part of it already exists in a "ready" state. | 21:23 |
| Zehra | This of course does mean it is twice as likely for unwanted changes to occur, as in the number of networks increases, but makes it less likely that all simply make unwanted changes at the same time. | 21:24 |
| JeffM[m] | and people join both leaving one idle 'just in case'? | 21:24 |
| blast007 | We've been on Freenode since at least 2002. This isn't a thing that happens very often. | 21:24 |
| JeffM[m] | he already said he's registered the channels on libre, just in case. | 21:25 |
| Zehra | Alright, I guess no worries then. | 21:25 |
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