IRC logs of Libera.Chat #BZFlag for Wednesday, 2023-10-25

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macsformedoes anyone here have a paid Apple developer account, or know someone who does? I tried ashvala but I can't reach him at the moment05:47
macsformeI'm trying to find out if they have a specific download available on their portal05:47
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Juestmacsforme: most accounts have access to xcode if you're after that05:56
macsformeI'm not, but thank you... I need a specific earlier version of macOS Catalina which they don't offer for public download05:57
Juestoh i see05:58
JuestmacOS is more picky05:58
Juestif its not available for download its not super likely it will be for paid devs05:58
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blast007macsforme: I can check with mine at work later09:21
blast007macsforme: which version are you looking for?09:22
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ashvalamacsforme: hey, pm me! My irc has been busted for a while. 13:08
blast007macsforme: on my account, they're not showing anything older than 13.5.213:22
blast007oh, guess I did find some older versions under the "More" option at the top, but I'm still not seeing any 10.15 versions13:27
macsformeashvala / blast007: I'm looking for something earlier than 10.15.5, so 10.15.4 (19E287) back to the original 10.15 (19A583)... the original would be most ideal13:46
macsformeif it's available, it would definitely be under the "More" downloads section for paid developer accounts... supposedly they had options all the way back to 10.5 (Leopard), at least within the last few years13:48
macsformesee here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/i-want-to-download-tiger-apple-developer-account-can.2135431/?post=26424601#post-2642460113:49
blast007all I'm getting for 10.15 is Kernel Debug Kits and "Glossaries - macOS"13:52
blast007I don't know if there's anything different in this regard between my account and an *actual* paid account - the one I'm in had the fee waived13:53
blast007I see a 10.15.4 on ye ol' torrent site13:56
macsformeI might have to go that route, although I was hoping to avoid it, since I'm not sure how to verify that a 3rd-party download is legitimate (it's a .app package, i.e., a folder, so you can't exactly hash it... possibly with codesign --verify)14:06
macsformethis was a paid account that had the fees waived, with the ability to create signing certificates and notarize builds? not just a free account? I know for sure the free accounts do not have them14:07
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blast007yeah, we have an app14:14
blast007the hash of the dmg from that torrent didn't show up on a search, so... yeah..14:27
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Juestmacsforme: apple is quite protective of their older macos versions15:44
macsformeI wouldn't expect a hash match on a .dmg, since that's not an official way Apple distributes OS installers... hopefully there's a way to validate whatever is available15:45
Juestmeh15:45
Juestyou can validate the .app hash15:45
macsformean .app is a folder15:45
Juestapple distributes installers in a pkg or a pkg in a dmg15:46
Juestright15:46
macsformea folder does not have a hash in the sense that a file does15:49
macsformea "signature," possibly... that's why I'm hoping it can be validated via codesign15:50
macsformeI guess archive.org has a 10.15.316:33
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Juestblast007: apparently i forgot to run with LIBGL_ALLOW_INDIRECT=1 21:21
JuestVcXsrv froze when trying armagetronad21:22
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