| Agatha | (Sorry my IRC endpoint crashed; hopefully I didn't miss anything.) | 01:14 |
|---|---|---|
| Agatha | By the by, the catalogue I mentioned earlier is completed. I wrote it up here: https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=20473 | 01:14 |
| Zehra | Looks good and I think the idea is mostly well thought of. | 01:18 |
| Zehra | If you can, you may wish to use some drivethrough/shootthrough objects as indicators from where to shoot from, as a bit of a guide. | 01:19 |
| Zehra | This could be included within a world via a certain option/setting and provided as a type of "tutorial map". | 01:20 |
| Zehra | Thinking of it on second thought, I now am reminded of one of Jefenry's maps which did make use of solo bots IIRC to make a type of shooting range. | 01:21 |
| Zehra | Same could be done here as a bit of a practice map, as well as use death objects to improve handling of solo bots. | 01:23 |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@2601:280:c200:4e39:81fb:effa:eebd:b850> has joined #bzflag | 01:27 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Flash | 01:27 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@2601:280:c200:4e39:81fb:effa:eebd:b850> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 02:56 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@2601:280:c200:4e39:81fb:effa:eebd:b850> has joined #bzflag | 02:57 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Flash | 02:57 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@2601:280:c200:4e39:81fb:effa:eebd:b850> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 03:00 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@2601:280:c200:4e39:81fb:effa:eebd:b850> has joined #bzflag | 03:00 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Flash | 03:00 | |
| *** Zehra <Zehra!~Keiki_Han@unaffiliated/zehra> has quit IRC (Quit: Quit) | 03:02 | |
| *** FusionDude <FusionDude!~flash@107.2.193.136> has joined #bzflag | 03:11 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v FusionDude | 03:11 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@2601:280:c200:4e39:81fb:effa:eebd:b850> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | 03:15 | |
| *** _I_Died_Once <_I_Died_Once!~I_Died_On@unaffiliated/idiedonce/x-1828535> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | 05:37 | |
| FusionDude | any mac gurus around? | 05:58 |
| *** FusionDude is now known as Flash | 05:58 | |
| blast007 | No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. | 06:00 |
| Flash | sure, transplant my kidney | 06:00 |
| Flash | I got a new iMac; it came with Catalina, and against my better judgement I updated to Big Sur | 06:01 |
| Flash | I have this game I've been playing for years, and on Big Sur, the window is just blank | 06:01 |
| Flash | I have source, but I don't know diddly about graphics | 06:02 |
| blast007 | any output if you run it from the terminal? | 06:20 |
| Agatha | "tutorial map" <- @Zehra hmmm, it's an interesting concept, though I don't have time to make such a map (I really already didn't have time to make this chart as it is . . .). Certainly, someone should be able to make it now that I've made all the data, though! | 06:21 |
| Flash | that's the only way I run it | 06:22 |
| Flash | unfortunately, the preferences are set to full screen | 06:22 |
| Flash | but it does quit cleanly with a couple of escapes | 06:22 |
| blast007 | are you compiling it yourself? | 06:24 |
| Flash | more or less. It has a Makefile | 06:24 |
| blast007 | k, was just wondering if maybe they had an old version of SDL or similar library in their bin | 06:26 |
| Flash | the old SDL is a possibility ... the bad thing about Apple's migration tool is it copies EVERYTHING so it's possible I have some crap I shouldn't | 06:27 |
| Flash | makefile includes this: | 06:29 |
| Flash | https://www.crossway.org/articles/5-myths-about-spiritual-gifts/ | 06:29 |
| Flash | no not that | 06:29 |
| Flash | CXXFLAGS=-pipe -isysroot $(XCODE_HOME) -Wall $(OPTIMIZE) $(DEBUG) -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL.framework/Headers/ -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL_ttf.framework/Headers/ -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL_mixer.framework/Headers/ -DPREFIX=L\"$(PREFIX)\" $(PROFILER) | 06:29 |
| blast007 | if you have an external drive, you could install a clean copy of Big Sur on that and see if the problem still happens | 06:29 |
| Flash | I'm hardware poor | 06:30 |
| Flash | you are helping ... this is a clue | 06:30 |
| blast007 | mmm, so I'm assuming that's SDL1 then.. | 06:30 |
| Flash | XCODE_HOME=/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.7.sdk | 06:30 |
| blast007 | haven't tried SDL 1 on Big Sur yet | 06:31 |
| blast007 | I don't think targeting an old SDK is necessarily a problem. BZFlag targets an older SDK so that it can still, in theory, run on older versions of macOS | 06:32 |
| blast007 | I don't know if we actually *try* running it on anything that old though :) | 06:33 |
| Flash | this is a pretty old game. I think I first played it on MacOS 9; I think I found source and started compiling in 10 | 06:33 |
| Flash | can I safely just delete stuff in /Library/Frameworks? And reinstall? | 06:38 |
| blast007 | my Big Sur only has some iTunesLibrary.framework symlink in /Library/Frameworks, so anything other than that should be safe to at least move somewhere else | 06:43 |
| Flash | yeah, I recognize some of this old stuff ... R.framework, Python.framework | 06:44 |
| Flash | anything from 2015 and earlier I should probably get rid of | 06:47 |
| Flash | good news (for me): there's a homebrew recipe for it. | 07:42 |
| *** Sgeo <Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | 08:35 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 09:41 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has joined #bzflag | 09:42 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Flash | 09:42 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | 09:47 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has joined #bzflag | 10:12 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Flash | 10:12 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | 11:18 | |
| *** fanta1 <fanta1!~fanta1@p200300f76f060d00a0e3506855365185.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #bzflag | 11:49 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has joined #bzflag | 12:09 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Flash | 12:09 | |
| *** _I_Died_Once <_I_Died_Once!~I_Died_On@unaffiliated/idiedonce/x-1828535> has joined #bzflag | 13:01 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | 14:09 | |
| *** Sgeo <Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #bzflag | 14:48 | |
| *** DTRemenak|RDP <DTRemenak|RDP!~DTRemenak@2603-8001-3700-003f-b985-ce9d-07c1-51ed.res6.spectrum.com> has joined #bzflag | 15:42 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v DTRemenak|RDP | 15:42 | |
| *** DTRemenak <DTRemenak!~DTRemenak@about/essy/CrazyCoder/DTRemenak> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | 15:44 | |
| *** DTRemenak|RDP is now known as DTRemenak | 15:44 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has joined #bzflag | 16:19 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Flash | 16:19 | |
| *** joes <joes!~joes@ip5f5ac84e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #bzflag | 16:31 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 17:17 | |
| *** Flash <Flash!~flash@107.2.193.136> has joined #bzflag | 17:18 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Flash | 17:18 | |
| *** joes <joes!~joes@ip5f5ac84e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) | 20:06 | |
| *** fanta1 <fanta1!~fanta1@p200300f76f060d00a0e3506855365185.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: fanta1) | 22:16 | |
| *** Zehra <Zehra!~Keiki_Han@unaffiliated/zehra> has joined #bzflag | 23:12 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.3.dev0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!